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	<description>Flash Platform stuff from Jason Fincanon</description>
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		<title>By: Ted Patrick</title>
		<link>http://flash.fincanon.com/archives/171/comment-page-1#comment-44941</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, your post has an entire section devoted to a proof in text and screenshots that I treated your opinion differently than others. Essentially it leaves readers to assume that I filter comments with an unethically bias. If the community views me as unethical, my influence, credibility, and job are worthless.

I think it is great you have different opinions, I actually encourage everyone to express them on my blog, that is not the issue at all. I have issue with someone publicly accusing me of something I didn&#039;t do, which your post clearly does.

Ted :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, your post has an entire section devoted to a proof in text and screenshots that I treated your opinion differently than others. Essentially it leaves readers to assume that I filter comments with an unethically bias. If the community views me as unethical, my influence, credibility, and job are worthless.</p>
<p>I think it is great you have different opinions, I actually encourage everyone to express them on my blog, that is not the issue at all. I have issue with someone publicly accusing me of something I didn&#8217;t do, which your post clearly does.</p>
<p>Ted <img src='http://flash.fincanon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rick Winscot</title>
		<link>http://flash.fincanon.com/archives/171/comment-page-1#comment-44940</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Winscot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not long ago Sean Moore posted &quot;50+ Important Flash Platform Developers&quot; - a list of influential people in the Flash Community. After reading the list I sent the following tweets to Ted Patrick.

@adobeted what the Flash platform needs is new blood... if all you have to show is 50 dudes after how many years? http://snurl.com/pnyfb

@adobeted guaranteed that for every one on that list there are 5 unknowns that would do Adobe good in exchange for 15 mins of fame

I&#039;ve received no response. I had hopes that he would see a formula... find a developer that&#039;s doing something good in the community and take him/her under your wing and co-present on a topic at MAX with them... co-author an article with them on DEVNET... or send them some Adobe swag out of the blue. Small things? Yes... but imagine the great effect that that kind of effort would have on the community.

Back in July I entered the Tour de Flex Data Visualization Contest hosted by Greg Wilson (http://gregsramblings.com/) and have yet to see any kind of announcement of the winners. I did see a response (tweet) to someone else that indicated that there were only 5 entrants with a frown emoticon following. I spent a significant amount of time on my entry and was excited at the possibility that perhaps I could gain some of that recognition Ted has been talking about... a road that has been incredibly disappointing to date. It would seem that if you aren&#039;t high enough on the food chain - common courtesy is optional.

I&#039;ve had at least a dozen (no joke/exaggeration) unsavory experiences like this over the last two years... and have come to a similar conclusion as you; there is a huge disconnect between that is being said and what is being done in &quot;our&quot; community.

So... I issue an open challenge to &quot;our&quot; evangelists. Prove your utopian dream... &quot;spread&quot; your influence more liberally among the lesser-knowns in the community... &quot;contribute&quot; more fully with the community through active collaboration...  aim to double that list of developers by the end of the year... start an investment program to provide developers with great ideas some hardware or pre-release access to software (i.e. multi-touch?)... want more ideas? I&#039;ve got a ton.

[throws down the gauntlet]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not long ago Sean Moore posted &#8220;50+ Important Flash Platform Developers&#8221; &#8211; a list of influential people in the Flash Community. After reading the list I sent the following tweets to Ted Patrick.</p>
<p>@adobeted what the Flash platform needs is new blood&#8230; if all you have to show is 50 dudes after how many years? <a href="http://snurl.com/pnyfb" rel="nofollow">http://snurl.com/pnyfb</a></p>
<p>@adobeted guaranteed that for every one on that list there are 5 unknowns that would do Adobe good in exchange for 15 mins of fame</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve received no response. I had hopes that he would see a formula&#8230; find a developer that&#8217;s doing something good in the community and take him/her under your wing and co-present on a topic at MAX with them&#8230; co-author an article with them on DEVNET&#8230; or send them some Adobe swag out of the blue. Small things? Yes&#8230; but imagine the great effect that that kind of effort would have on the community.</p>
<p>Back in July I entered the Tour de Flex Data Visualization Contest hosted by Greg Wilson (<a href="http://gregsramblings.com/" rel="nofollow">http://gregsramblings.com/</a>) and have yet to see any kind of announcement of the winners. I did see a response (tweet) to someone else that indicated that there were only 5 entrants with a frown emoticon following. I spent a significant amount of time on my entry and was excited at the possibility that perhaps I could gain some of that recognition Ted has been talking about&#8230; a road that has been incredibly disappointing to date. It would seem that if you aren&#8217;t high enough on the food chain &#8211; common courtesy is optional.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had at least a dozen (no joke/exaggeration) unsavory experiences like this over the last two years&#8230; and have come to a similar conclusion as you; there is a huge disconnect between that is being said and what is being done in &#8220;our&#8221; community.</p>
<p>So&#8230; I issue an open challenge to &#8220;our&#8221; evangelists. Prove your utopian dream&#8230; &#8220;spread&#8221; your influence more liberally among the lesser-knowns in the community&#8230; &#8220;contribute&#8221; more fully with the community through active collaboration&#8230;  aim to double that list of developers by the end of the year&#8230; start an investment program to provide developers with great ideas some hardware or pre-release access to software (i.e. multi-touch?)&#8230; want more ideas? I&#8217;ve got a ton.</p>
<p>[throws down the gauntlet]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://flash.fincanon.com/archives/171/comment-page-1#comment-44939</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted, understood. Thanks. As I said, I&#039;m not trying to battle.

Keith, Thanks for your input. I think we all have different views on the whole subject. Some of our views are the same and some are different. I&#039;ve had people agree with me and I&#039;ve had people disagree with me. Now I would like to clear something up...
I did NOT put you on any list of elitists. Ted mentioned your name in his post and I used his same list of industry leaders that he did. I also did NOT call Ted an elitist.

Why is it so hard for people to accept that there are people out there who have those attitudes? I have not called anyone out by name as being an elitist, I&#039;ve simply said they are out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, understood. Thanks. As I said, I&#8217;m not trying to battle.</p>
<p>Keith, Thanks for your input. I think we all have different views on the whole subject. Some of our views are the same and some are different. I&#8217;ve had people agree with me and I&#8217;ve had people disagree with me. Now I would like to clear something up&#8230;<br />
I did NOT put you on any list of elitists. Ted mentioned your name in his post and I used his same list of industry leaders that he did. I also did NOT call Ted an elitist.</p>
<p>Why is it so hard for people to accept that there are people out there who have those attitudes? I have not called anyone out by name as being an elitist, I&#8217;ve simply said they are out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Peters</title>
		<link>http://flash.fincanon.com/archives/171/comment-page-1#comment-44938</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I&#039;m one of the names you mentioned in your list of elites, I&#039;ll throw in my 2 cents. First of all, I totally agreed with Ted&#039;s post, and commented there to that effect. I also agree with your paraphrased, unapproved comment. Sharing isn&#039;t the ONLY way to get noticed. But it&#039;s probably the most successful way. The Flash community, since its inception has been an open, sharing community. The forums, mailing lists, and now blogs, have always been a fruitful source of knowledge. It&#039;s definitely NOT that way in every tech community.

Also, as you say, sure, it&#039;s not just sharing. These things you mention are all true: &quot;passion, extra time after hours learning and coding, face time at conferences&quot;. Of course, if you don&#039;t have passion, why bother? If you don&#039;t put in some time learning and coding, you won&#039;t have much to share. As for &quot;time away from family&quot;, not so valid. For me, it&#039;s more like &quot;time away from watching TV or hanging out at clubs&quot;. Family is very important for me. Face time at conferences is a big plus, but not vital. I had already won a Flash Forward rubber arrow and contributed to two books before I went to my first full conference (Flash Forward SF, 2004). The &quot;who you know&quot; one is not valid. That&#039;s a result of the others. It&#039;s not like Mike Chambers is my cousin or Ted Patrick lives next door to me. I met them after making a name for myself.

I can&#039;t speak for Ted or why he didn&#039;t approve your comment. But he&#039;s a good guy, and I think &quot;Elitist&quot; is the last word I&#039;d use to describe him. Also, there are other comments on the same post that are not in full agreement with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;m one of the names you mentioned in your list of elites, I&#8217;ll throw in my 2 cents. First of all, I totally agreed with Ted&#8217;s post, and commented there to that effect. I also agree with your paraphrased, unapproved comment. Sharing isn&#8217;t the ONLY way to get noticed. But it&#8217;s probably the most successful way. The Flash community, since its inception has been an open, sharing community. The forums, mailing lists, and now blogs, have always been a fruitful source of knowledge. It&#8217;s definitely NOT that way in every tech community.</p>
<p>Also, as you say, sure, it&#8217;s not just sharing. These things you mention are all true: &#8220;passion, extra time after hours learning and coding, face time at conferences&#8221;. Of course, if you don&#8217;t have passion, why bother? If you don&#8217;t put in some time learning and coding, you won&#8217;t have much to share. As for &#8220;time away from family&#8221;, not so valid. For me, it&#8217;s more like &#8220;time away from watching TV or hanging out at clubs&#8221;. Family is very important for me. Face time at conferences is a big plus, but not vital. I had already won a Flash Forward rubber arrow and contributed to two books before I went to my first full conference (Flash Forward SF, 2004). The &#8220;who you know&#8221; one is not valid. That&#8217;s a result of the others. It&#8217;s not like Mike Chambers is my cousin or Ted Patrick lives next door to me. I met them after making a name for myself.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for Ted or why he didn&#8217;t approve your comment. But he&#8217;s a good guy, and I think &#8220;Elitist&#8221; is the last word I&#8217;d use to describe him. Also, there are other comments on the same post that are not in full agreement with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Patrick</title>
		<link>http://flash.fincanon.com/archives/171/comment-page-1#comment-44936</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comments policy is simple, I filter to limit spam. My blog gets hundreds of spam comments per day and that is why I filter. I had open comments before but it lead to a serious spam problem.

Your comment was either not posted or deleted with comment filtering. Feel free to post it again, it will get published.

Cheers,

Ted :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comments policy is simple, I filter to limit spam. My blog gets hundreds of spam comments per day and that is why I filter. I had open comments before but it lead to a serious spam problem.</p>
<p>Your comment was either not posted or deleted with comment filtering. Feel free to post it again, it will get published.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Ted <img src='http://flash.fincanon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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